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Unreasonable talk show listeners and Tom Martino

Melissa Feroglia called talk radio host Tom Martino in November 2004 to complain on his consumer-advice show. Feroglia had purchased a jet ski in Boring, Oregon at John and Susan Gardner's Mount Hood Polaris. Feroglia was not happy and Martino fanned the flames. Unfortunately for the Gardners, Martino's show was nationally syndicated and they were burned.

Feroglia told Martino that her jet ski had broken down again and again. According to Feroglia, John Gardner had first promised to refund her money, but had then said that her ski jet was fixed and there would be no refund. Feroglia concluded her woes by telling Martino that at that point the weather was too cold. She would have to wait until spring to try out her jet ski.

Martino, in the flip and annoying way of many talk show hosts who could not be bothered with the facts, then told Feroglia that Gardner was lying to her. Martino and Martino's producer continued the saga by telling us of a cycle we are all far too familiar with: Calling the shop, being told to contact the manufacturer, contacting the manufacturer, and being told to call the shop again. We don't know if their tale was true or not.

We do know that Martino said, "Polaris sucks." The situation further spiraled out of control as Martino encouraged his listeners to contact Mount Hood Polaris and the manufacturer and tell them that they would never again buy any Polaris products.

John and Susan Gardner sued after their phone lines were flooded and they were threatened. The Gardner's lawsuit stated that people driving by the store for several weeks shouted insults and the store lost approximately $600,000 in business. A judge dismissed their suit and in April a federal appeals court upheld the dismissal. According to the federal appeals court, this was basically not slander because reasonable talk show listeners do not expect facts on talk shows like Martino's, just opinions. Without facts, there cannot be slander.

In the eyes of the law, whatever damage there was to the Gardners' business and reputation was due to Martino's opinion, not to any false fact or facts. Given that this damage could not have been caused by reasonable talk show listeners, the Gardners have no recourse. No law protects businesses from talk show hosts who urge unreasonable talk show listeners to damage the business.

Tom Martino has more critics than just the Gardners. His critics are concerned by the "Troubleshooter Referral List," a list of businesses that Martino endorses. A business can join Martino's list by paying a $3,000 fee and agreeing to a code of ethics. This code includes agreeing to let Martino decide disputes with consumers and follow his decisions. Martino also personally endorses business products and services on the air for payment. Critics question Tom Martino's being a creditable consumer advocate due to the very substantial fees he earns from his endorsements.

Martino apparently enjoys both sides of the street. He appears to profit as an entertainer masquerading as a consumer advocate. He also appears to profit as a businessperson selling endorsements that appear to make him a pseudo consumer advocate. Unfortunately, his audience does not appear to notice that he is a pseudo consumer advocate. He is not the real thing.

Perhaps some day we will have a law that holds talk radio hosts liable for inflaming audiences that can reasonably be expected to cause damage. Until then, businesses savaged by Tom Martino will continue to occur damages, both justified and unjustified. In the final analysis, we have no idea if the Gardners were fine upstanding business people or not. We don't know anything about their business practices. We do know that it would have required some very bad business practices for $600,000.00 in damages to have been a fair penalty. We can conclude two things from this: We need laws to handle situations like this and we need to watch out for Tom Martino and other talk show hosts like him.

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you have several options here. i will give them to you in order of what i think is the best to worst

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Mount Panorama Circuit

The Circuit

The Pit Straight

The Pit straight of Mount Panorama, which is adjacent to the pit complex, has a different start line and finish line. For the standing start only, the start line is 143m closer to Hell Corner so that all the pit bays are located after the finish line for lap counting purposes. The start line is located where it is so that traffic does not go too far around Murray's Corner when the start grid is formed.

Hell Corner

The common misperception of nomenclature due to the accidents that happen at this turn are widespread. Hell Corner was so named after the tree stump that existed on the apex of turn one, it was believed that any motor bike riders who hit the stump would die in an act of folly and thereby be doomed to an eternity of death having no time to repent of their sin.

Mountain Straight

Mountain Straight is a long straight that begins the climb up the mountain towards Griffins Bend. V8 Supercars reach speeds up to 250 km/h (155 mph) as drivers race over the crest immediately prior to braking for Griffins Bend. In the days before modern aerodynamics, drivers would have to lift off the throttle to prevent becoming airborne over the crest halfway up the straight.

Griffins Bend

Also known as GTX Bend (the corner's first sponsor), Griffins Bend was named after the Mayor of Bathurst whose vision it was to create the scenic road/race-track. Drivers heading around this right-hander have to be careful not to drift too far out of this negatively-cambered turn and hit the wall upon exit.

The Cutting

Referred to for many years as "BP Cutting", this is a pair of left hand corners, leading into a steep 1:6 grade exit. Overtaking is virtually impossible here, and it is very hard to recover from a spin here because of the narrow room and steep gradient. This corner was the location of the infamous 'race rage' incident between Marcos Ambrose and Greg Murphy, after Murphy and Ambrose collided when both drivers refused to give the other "racing room" during the 2005 Supercheap Auto 1000, Ambrose's last before he moved to the United States for racing. Murphy then disappeared into a resident's house to view the replays on TV before returning to the pits.[citation needed]

Reid Park

After exiting the Cutting, drivers have a right hand turn, heading up, then into a left hand turn. This is Reid Park. The most famous incident in the history of the Bathurst 1000[citation needed] was here when Dick Johnson crashed his Ford Falcon in the early laps of the 1980 Hardie-Ferodo 1000 race avoiding a large rock that had fallen from the spectator area. The car was destroyed, taking with it Johnson's means of supporting his racing ambitions. An emotional public appeal followed during the race's telecast which re-launched Johnson's career and restored flagging public interest[citation needed] in touring car racing.

Sulman Park

After Reid Park, drivers brave a steep drop, flowing into a climbing left hand turn, heading back towards the highest point of Mount Panorama. This is also the location of Sulman Park and its Nature Park. Jason Bright crashed here in his Ford Falcon in practice during the 1998 FAI 1000, then saw the car rebuilt in time to scrape into qualifying in the dying minutes before Bright and Steven Richards went on to victory. This corner was also the scene of a shocking crash in a support race in 2006 that claimed the life of Mark Porter.

McPhillamy Park

McPhillamy Park is a downhill, deceptively fast left hand turn which is guarded by a crest prior to turn-in, rendering the corner blind to approaching drivers. Drivers have to stay close to the wall while turning so as not to go out wide upon exit. To go too close however may cause the car to clip the inside kerbing, which Allan Moffat famously did in practice for the 1986 James Hardie 1000, crashing heavily, head on to the concrete. McPhillamy Park is the location of longest running campsite for those who camp at the track for sometimes over a week ahead of the race.

Brock Skyline

A short straight connects McPhillamy to the next corner. Now named 'Brock's Skyline' after the legendary Peter Brock, Skyline is a sharply descending right hand corner which signifies the beginning of the descent from the top of the Mountain. The corner acquired the name from the visual effect of looking upwards at the corner from below, such is the sharpness of that initial plunge. During the 1970 Hardie-Ferodo 500 Tony Roberts launched over Skyline backwards after losing control of his Ford Falcon, before tumbling down the hillside.

The Esses

The Esses are the series of corners which begin at Skyline and stretch down the Mountain towards Forrests Elbow. There have been many notable accidents at this part of the circuit, including a blockage of the track in 2003 when Jason Bargwanna made contact with David Brabham.

The Dipper

The most famous of the Esses, the Dipper, the fourth in the sequence, is a sharp left hand corner, so named because, before safety changes, there was quite a dip in the road surface and then a steep drop not far from the edge of the road. Many cars used to get two wheels off the ground, sometimes having their left front wheel dangling off the side of the track before the concrete walls were put up.

Forrest's Elbow

The summit, looking from Forrest's Elbow to Skyline and beyond.

'The Elbow' named after Jack Forrest, a motorcycle racer who scraped his elbow away after laying down his bike is a slow, descending left-hand turn that leads on to the long Conrod Straight. The corner's line drifts towards the outside wall on exit and drivers have to be careful of getting too close. It was just past here,at the kink, during the pole qualifying session (the top ten drivers from Friday's qualifying session participate in a final session to determine the top ten starting positions for the race) for to the 1983 James Hardie 1000, that Dick Johnson clipped a tyre barrier just after exiting the corner, which sent his Ford Falcon careening into a grove of trees, totally demolishing it.

Conrod Straight

Formerly known as Main Straight, Conrod Straight was so named because of a con-rod failure that ended the race of Frank Kleinig in his Kleinig/Hudson race-car. Conrod Straight is the fastest section of Mount Panorama, with today's V8 Supercars just reaching 300 km/h (186 mph). The straight is a roller-coaster ride featuring two distinct crests, the second of which was rebuilt in 1987. It has been on Conrod where five of the six car-racing deaths on the circuit have occurred Bevan Gibson, Tom Sulman, Mike Burgmann, Denny Hulme and Don Watson. All except Hulme (heart attack) died in high-speed accidents. However, the chicane introduced into Conrod Straight has made it one of the fastest turns in the world. Most drivers arrive at the initial part of the chicane at over 290 km/h (180 mph).

The Chase

The Chase, Murrays corner and the home straight

Known for many years as 'Caltex Chase', this three turn sequence was added in preparation for the World Touring Car Championship round in 1987 as Con-Rod Straight exceeded the FIA's length for an un-broken straight. The section was dedicated to Mike Burgmann who had died in an accident at the chicane's spot the previous year. It interrupts Con-Rod Straight with Australia's fastest right hand bend (world's fastest for touring cars), descending to the right away from the dangerous crest prior to the spectator bridge, before a sharp 120 km/h (75 mph) left hand bend then second right hand corner returns the competitors to Con-Rod Straight for the blast down to Murrays Corner. This corner was the scene of Peter Brock's only rollover in his motor racing career when he rolled his Vauxhall Vectra during practice for the 1997 AMP Bathurst 1000.

Murray's Corner

Murray's Corner is the final corner before Pit Straight and the lowest point of the circuit. It is a 90 degree left hand turn, and is a favourite overtaking spot as drivers hold braking duels for the corner.

Lap records

The outright lap record on the modern circuit was recorded by Greg Murphy (Holden VY Commodore) during the Top Ten Shoot Out in 2003 (2:06.8594). When announcing he would team up with Murphy for the 2009 event, five-time winner Mark Skaife said "No one gets around the mountain better than Murph when he's dialled in -- four wins and a long-standing lap record are testament to that."Lap records for the various racing classes are:

V8 Supercars: 2:08.4651 - Jamie Whincup (Ford BF Falcon).

Development V8 Supercar: 2:10.1022 - Dean Canto (Ford BA Falcon).

Carrera Cup: 2:10.2419 - Alex Davison (Porsche 997 GT3 Cup).

GT: 2:12.6963 - Bryce Washington (Lamborghini Gallardo).

Formula Ford: 2:24.1300 - Jordan Ormsby (Van Diemen RF93).

Performance Car (GT-Production): 2:27.1194 - Terry Bosnjak (Mazda RX-7 SP2).

Touring Car Masters: 2:28.1630 - Paul Stubber (Chevrolet Camaro).

Mini Challenge: 2:30.2732 - Jason Bargwanna (Mini Cooper S).

Commodore Cup: 2:33.3209 - Geoff Emery (Holden VS Commodore).

Aussie Racing Car: 2:34.9536 - Nick Percat (AU Falcon - Yamaha).

V8 Utes: 2:34.9815 - Kim Jane (Holden VE Ute SS).

Saloon Car: 2:37.7007 - Steve Kwiatkowski (Ford AU Falcon).

Formula Vee: 2:44.1467 - Benjamin Porter (Checkmate JP02).

HQ Holden: 2:56.0330 - Peter Holmes (Holden Kingswood).

Historic Bathurst 1000 lap records

Group A 2:14.50 - Mark Skaife (1991 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R32).

Group C: 2:15.13 - Peter Brock (1984 - Holden VK Commodore).

Super Touring: 2:16.8034 - Jason Plato (1997 - Renault Laguna).

Notable races

Main article: List of Mount Panorama Races

The very first race held at the Mount Panorama circuit was the 1938 Australian Grand Prix. Since that historic meeting 'the Mountain' has attracted some of the biggest races in the country. The Australian Grand Prix was held here four times and the circuit also played host to the Australian motorcycle Grand Prix for a significant portion of pre-world championship life. The Australian Tourist Trophy and the Australian Touring Car Championship also visited sporadically as well as numerous other Australian Championships. The circuit has been home to one of the world's classic endurance events, the Bathurst 1000 as well as other races inspired by it, the Bathurst 12 Hour and Bathurst 24 Hour.

The first Motorsport event was a speed hillclimb held from Mountain Straight up to Reid Park. This event is still held today as a round of the NSW Hillclimb Championship.

In 2009, the circuit hosted the IGSA Gravity Sports World Championships: skateboard downhill and street luge downhill. The race began at Skyline and ended at Conrado Straight.

Racing deaths at Mount Panorama

Fifteen competitors have died during racing associated with Mount Panorama. Two spectators were also killed in 1955 after being struck by a crashing car.

April 17, 1949 Jack Johnson, MG TC, Easter Races

April 5, 1958 Barry Halliday, Motorcycle, Bathurst Tourist Trophy

October 2, 1960 Reg Smith, Porsche, Australian GT Championship

April 7, 1969 Bevan Gibson, Elfin 400 Repco, Mount Panorama Trophy

March 30, 1970 Tom Sulman, Lotus Eleven Climax, Sir Joseph Banks Trophy

April 2, 1972 Lan Hog, sidecar, bathurst tt race

April 17, 1976 Ross Barelli, Suzuki RG500, Easter Races

April 15, 1979 Ron Toombs, Yamaha TZ 350F, Easter Races

Easter 1980 Rob Moorhouse, Easter motorcycle races

October 5, 1986 Mike Burgmann, Holden Commodore VK SS Group A, James Hardie 1000

October 4, 1992 Denny Hulme, BMW M3 Evolution, Tooheys 1000

April 1994 Jim Colligan, Sidecar, Australian Tourist Trophy

April, 1994 Ian Thornton, Sidecar, Australian Tourist Trophy

September 30, 1994 Don Watson, Holden Commodore VP, Tooheys 1000

October 8, 2006 Mark Porter, Holden Commodore VZ, Fujitsu V8 Supercar Series

Footnotes

^ V8Supercars, Times and Records

^ "Bob Jane T-Marts 1000 - Round 10 2003 V8 Supercar Series". National Software. October 12, 2007. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?12/10/2003.MOUN.Q7. Retrieved 2007-12-16. 

^ "Skaife teams with Murphy for Bathurst". Stuff.co.nz. August 10, 2009. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/2737840/Skaife-teams-with-Murphy-for-Bathurst. Retrieved 2009-08-10. 

^ "Supercheap Auto Bathurst 1000-2007 V8 Supercar Series Rnd 10". National Software. October 7, 2007. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?07/10/2007.MOUN.R12. Retrieved 2007-12-16. 

^ "Supercheap Auto 1000 - 2008 V8 Supercar Championship Rd10 Mount Panorama - Bathurst Fujitsu V8 Supercars - Race 2". National Software. October 11, 2008. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?12/10/2008.MOUN.R8. Retrieved 2008-10-18. 

^ "Super Cheap Auto 1000 - Rd 9 2006 V8 Supercar Series Mount Panorama - Bathurst". National Software. October 8, 2006. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?08/10/2006.MOUN.R11. Retrieved 2008-04-19. 

^ "WPS Bathurst International Motorsport Festival Mount Panorama". National Software. April 7, 2007. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?08/04/2007.MOUN.R7. Retrieved 2008-04-19. 

^ "Bob Jane T-Marts 1000 Mount Panorama - Bathurst". National Software. October 11, 2002. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?13/10/2002.MOUN.R1. Retrieved 2008-04-19. 

^ "FAI 1000 Mount Panorama - Bathurst". National Software. October 13, 1999. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?14/11/1999.MOUN.R4. Retrieved 2008-04-19. 

^ "Super Cheap Auto 1000 - Rd 9 2006 V8 Supercar Series Mount Panorama - Bathurst". National Software. October 6, 2006. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?08/10/2006.MOUN.R1. Retrieved 2008-04-19. 

^ "Supercheap Auto 1000 - 2008 V8 Supercar Championship Rd10 Mount Panorama - Bathurst Fujitsu V8 Supercars - Race 2". National Software. October 11, 2008. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?12/10/2008.MOUN.R5. Retrieved 2008-10-18. 

^ "WPS Bathurst International Motorsport Festival Mount Panorama". National Software. April 6, 2007. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?08/04/2007.MOUN.R2. Retrieved 2008-04-19. 

^ "Super Cheap Auto 1000 - Rd 9 2006 V8 Supercar Series Mount Panorama - Bathurst". National Software. October 7, 2006. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?08/10/2006.MOUN.R6. Retrieved 2008-04-19. 

^ "Supercheap Auto 1000 - 2008 V8 Supercar Championship Rd10 Mount Panorama - Bathurst 2008 Yokohama V8 Ute Racing Series - Race 3". National Software. October 12, 2008. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?12/10/2008.MOUN.R10. Retrieved 2008-10-18. 

^ "WPS Bathurst Motor Festival Mount Panorama". National Software. February 21, 2009. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?22/02/2009.MOUN.R7. Retrieved 2010-02-13. 

^ "WPS Bathurst Motor Festival Mount Panorama". National Software. February 9, 2008. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?10/02/2008.MOUN.R4. Retrieved 2008-04-19. 

^ "Primus 1000 Classic Mt Panorama - Bathurst". National Software. October 19, 1997. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?19/10/1997.BATH.R4. Retrieved 2008-04-19. 

^ * Greenhalgh, David; Thomas B. Floyd, Bill Tuckey (2000). Australia's Greatest Motor Race 1960-1999. Chevron Publishing Group. p. 479. ISBN 1 875 221 12 3. 

^ * Greenhalgh, David; Thomas B. Floyd, Bill Tuckey (2000). Australia's Greatest Motor Race 1960-1999. Chevron Publishing Group. p. 472. ISBN 1 875 221 12 3. 

^ "1997 AMP Bathurst 1000 Australian Racing Drivers Club". National Software. October 5, 1997. http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?05/10/1997.ARDC.E7. Retrieved 2008-04-19. 

External links

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V8 Champ Garth Tander's personal tour of Mt Panorama

Skateboard downhill World Championship in Mount Panorama

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